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COUNCIL DIRECTIVE of 18 June 1991 on control of the acquisition and possession of weapons (91/477/EEC)
THE COUNCIL OF THE EUROPEAN COMMUNITIES,
Having regard to the Treaty establishing the European Economic Community, and in particular Article 100a thereof,
Having regard to the proposal from the Commission (1),
In cooperation with the European Parliament (2),
Having regard to the opinion of the Economic and Social Committee (3),
Whereas Article 8a of the Treaty provides that the internal market must be established by not later than 31 December 1992; whereas the internal market comprises an area without internal frontiers in which the free movement of goods, persons, services and capital is ensured, in accordance with the provisions of the Treaty;
Whereas, at its meeting in Fontainebleau on 25 and 26 June 1984, the European Council expressly set the objective of abolishing all police and customs formalities at intra-Community frontiers;
Whereas the total abolition of controls and formalities at intra-Community frontiers entails the fulfilment of certain fundamental conditions; whereas in its white paper 'Completing the internal market' the Commission stated that the abolition of controls on the safety of objects transported and on persons entails, among other things, the approximation of weapons legislation;
Whereas abolition of controls on the possession of weapons at intra-Community frontiers necessitates the adoption of effective rules enabling controls to be carried out within Member States on the acquisition and possession of firearms and on their transfer to another Member State; whereas systematic controls must therefore be abolished at intra-Community frontiers;
Whereas the mutual confidence in the field of the protection of the safety of persons which these rules will generate between Member States will be the greater if they are underpinned by partially harmonized legislation; whereas it would therefore be useful to determine category of firearms whose acquisition and possession by private persons are to be prohibited, or subject to authorization, or subject to declaration;
Whereas passing from one Member State to another while in possession of a weapon should, in principle, be prohibited; whereas a derogation therefrom is acceptable only if a procedure is adopted that enables Member States to be notified that a firearm is to be brought into their territory;
Whereas, however, more flexible rules should be adopted in respect of hunting and target shooting in order to avoid impeding the free movement of persons more that is necessary;
Whereas the Directive does not affect the right of Member States to take measures to prevent illegal trade in weapons,
HAS ADOPTED THIS DIRECTIVE: CHAPTER 1 Scope
Article 1
1. For the purposes of this Directive 'weapons' and 'firearms' shall have the meanings ascribed to them in Annex I. Firearms are classified and defined in section II of that Annex.
2. For the purposes of this Directive 'dealer' shall mean any natural or legal person whose trade or business consists wholly or partly in the manufacture, trade, exchange, hiring out, repair or conversion of firearms.
3. For the purposes of this Directive, a person shall be deemed to be a resident of the country indicated by the address appearing on a document establishing his place of residence, such as a passport or an identity card, which, on a check on possession or on acquisition, is submitted to the authorities of a Member State or to a dealer.
4. The 'European firearms pass' is a document which is issued on request by the authorities of a Member State to a person lawfully entering into possession of and using a firearm. It shall be valid for a maximum period of five years. The period of validity may be extended. Where only firearms classified in category D appear on the pass, the maximum period of validity thereof shall be ten years. It shall contain the information set out in Annex II. The 'European firearms pass' is a non-transferable document, on which shall be entered the firearm or firearms possessed and used by the holder of the pass. The pass must always be in the possession of the person using the firearm. Changes in the possession or characteristics of the firearms shall be indicated on the pass, as well as the loss or theft of the firearm.
Article 2
1. This Directive is without prejudice to the application of national provisions concerning the carrying of weapons, hunting or target shooting.
2. This Directive shall not apply to the acquisition or possession of weapons and ammunition, in accordance with national law, by the armed forces, the police, the public authorities or by collectors and bodies concerned with the cultural and historical aspects of weapons and recognized as such by the Member State in whose territory they are established. Nor shall it apply to commercial transfers of weapons and ammunition of war.
Article 3
Member States may adopt in their legislation provisions which are more stringent than those provided for in this Directive, subject to the rights conferred on residents of the Member States by Article 12 (2). CHAPTER 2 Harmonization of legislation concerning firearms
Article 4
At least in respect of categories A and B, each Member State shall make the pursuit of the activity of dealer within its territory conditional upon authorization on the basis of at least a check on the private and professional integrity of the dealer. In the case of a legal person, the check shall be on the person who directs the undertaking. In respect of categories C and D, each Member State which does not make the pursuit of the activity of dealer conditional upon authorization shall make such activity subject to a declaration.
Each dealer shall be required to keep a register in which information concerning all firearms classified in category A, B or C received or disposed of by him shall be recorded, including such particulars as enable the weapon to be identified, in particular the type, make, model, calibre and serial number thereof and the names and addresses of the supplier and the person acquiring the weapon. The Member States shall regularly check dealers' compliance with this obligation. The dealer shall conserve the register for a period of five years, even after he has ceased his activity.
Article 5
Without prejudice to Article 3, Member States shall allow the acquisition and possession of firearms classified in category B only by persons who have good cause and who:
(a) are 18 years old or more, except for hunting or target shooting;
(b) are not likely to be a danger to themselves, to public order or to public safety.
Without prejudice to Article 3, Member States shall allow the possession of firearms classified in categories C and D only by persons satisfying the conditions in point (a) of the first paragraph.
Member States may withdraw authorization for possession of the firearm if any of the conditions in point (b) of the first paragraph is no longer satisfied.
Member States may not prohibit persons resident within their territories from possessing a weapon acquired in another Member State unless they prohibit the acquisition of the same weapon within their own territories.
Article 6
Member States shall take all appropriate steps to prohibit the acquisition and the possession of the firearms and ammunition classified in category A. In special cases, the competent authorities may grant authorizations for such firearms and ammunition where this is not contrary to public security or public order.
Article 7
1. No one may acquire a firearm classified in category B within the territory of a Member State unless that Member State has so authorized him.
No such authorization may be given to a resident of another Member State without the latter's prior agreement.
2. No one may be in possession of a firearm classified in category B within the territory of a Member State unless that Member State has so authorized him. If he is a resident of another Member State, that other Member State shall be informed accordingly.
3. An authorization to acquire and an authorization to possess a firearm classified in category B may take the form of a single administrative decision.
Article 8
1. No one may be in possession of a firearm classified in category C unless he has declared it to the authorities of the Member State in which that firearm is held.
The Member States shall provide for the compulsory declaration of all firearms classified in category C at present held within their territories but not previously declared within one year of the entry into force of the national provisions transposing this Directive.
2. Every seller, dealer or private person shall inform the authorities of the Member State in which it takes place of every transfer or handing over of a firearm classified in category C, giving the particulars by which the firearm and the person acquiring it may be identified. If the person acquiring such a firearm is a resident of another Member State, that other Member State shall be informed of the acquisition by the Member State in which it took place and by the person acquiring the firearm.
3. If a Member State prohibits or makes subject to authorization the acquisition and possession within its territory of a firearm classified in category B, C or D, it shall so inform the other Member States, which shall expressly include a statement to that effect on any European firearms pass they issue for such a firearm, pursuant to Article 12 (2).
Article 9
1. The handing over of a firearm classified in category A, B or C to a person who is not resident in the Member State in question shall be permitted, subject to compliance with the obligations laid down in Articles 6, 7 and 8:
- where the person acquiring it has been authorized in accordance with Article 11 himself to effect a transfer to his country of residence,
- where the person acquiring it submits a written declaration testifying to and justifying his intention to be in possession of the firearm in the Member State of acquisition, provided that he fulfils the legal conditions for possession in that Member State.
2. Member States may authorize the temporary handing over of firearms in accordance with procedures which they shall lay down.
Article 10
The arrangements for the acquisition and possession of ammunition shall be the same as those for the possession of the firearms for which the ammunition is intended. CHAPTER 3 Formalities for the movement of weapons within the Community
Article 11
1. Firearms may, without prejudice to Article 12, be transferred from one Member State to another only in accordance with the procedure laid down in the following paragraphs. These provisions shall also apply to transfers of firearms following a mail order sale.
2. Where a firearm is to be transferred to another Member State, the person concerned shall, before it is taken there, supply the following particulars to the Member State in which such firearm is situated:
- the names and addresses of the person selling or disposing of the firearm and of the person purchasing or acquiring it or, where appropriate, of the owner,
- the address to which the firearm is to be consigned or transported,
- the number of firearms to be consigned or transported,
- the particulars enabling the firearm to be identified and also an indication that the firearm has undergone a check in accordance with the Convention of 1 July 1969 on the Reciprocal Recognition of Proofmarks on Small Arms,
- the means of transfer,
- the date of departure and the estimated date of arrival.
The information referred to in the last two indents need not be supplied where the transfer takes place between dealers.
The Member State shall examine the conditions under which the transfer is to be carried out, in particular with regard to security.
Where the Member State authorizes such transfer, it shall issue a licence incorporating all the particulars referred to in the first subparagraph. Such licence shall accompany the firearm until it reaches its destination; it shall be produced whenever so required by the authorities of the Member States.
3. In the case of transfer of the firearms, other than weapons of war, excluded from the scope of this Directive pursuant to Article 2 (2), each Member State may grant dealers the right to effect transfers of firearms from its territory to a dealer established in another Member State without the prior authorization referred to in paragraph 2. To that end it shall issue an authorization valid for no more than three years, which may at any time be suspended or cancelled by reasoned decision. A document referring to that authorization must accompany the firearm until it reaches its destination; it must be produced whenever so required by the authorities of the Member States.
Not later than the time of transfer, the dealer shall communicate to the authorities of the Member State from which the transfer is to be effected all the particulars listed in the first subparagraph of paragraph 2.
4. Each Member State shall supply the other Member States with a list of firearms the transfer of which to its territory may not be authorized without its prior consent.
Such lists of firearms shall be communicated to dealers who have obtained approval for transferring firearms without prior authorization under the procedure laid down in paragraph 3.
Article 12
1. If the procedure provided for in Article 11 is not employed, the possession of a firearm during a journey through two or more Member States shall not be permitted unless the person concerned has obtained the authorization of each of those Member States.
Member States may grant such authorization for one or more journeys for a maximum period of one year, subject to renewal. Such authorizations shall be entered on the European firearms pass, which the traveller must produce whenever so required by the authorities of the Member States.
2. Notwithstanding paragraph 1, hunters, in respect of categories C and D, and marksmen, in respect of category B, C and D, may without prior authorization be in possession of one or more firearms classified in these categories during a journey through two or more Member States with a view to engaging in their activities, provided that they are in possession of a European firearms pass listing such firearm or firearms and provided that they are able to substantiate the reasons for their journey, in particular by producing an invitation.
However, this derogation shall not apply to journeys to a Member State which prohibits the acquisition and possession of the firearm in question or which, pursuant to Article 8 (3), makes it subject to authorization; in that case, an express statement to that effect shall be entered on the European firearms pass.
In the context of the report referred to in Article 17, the Commission in consultation with the Member States, will also consider the effects of applying the second subparagraph, particularly as regards its impact on public order and public security.
3. Under agreements for the mutual recognition of national documents, two or more Member States may provide for arrangements more flexible than those prescribed in this Article for movement with firearms within their territories.
Article 13
1. Each Member State shall communicate all useful information at its disposal concerning definitive transfers of firearms to the Member State to the territory of which such a transfer has been effected.
2. All information that Member States receive by way of the procedures laid down in Article 11 for transfers of firearms and in Article 7 (2) and Article 8 (2) for the acquisition and possession of firearms by non-residents shall be communicated, not later than the time of the relevant transfers, to the Member States of destination and, where appropriate, not later than the time of transfer to the Member States of transit.
3. Member States shall set up, by 1 January 1993 at the latest, networks for the exchange of information for the purposes of applying this Article. They shall inform the other Member States and the Commission of the national authorities responsible for transmitting and receiving information and for applying the formalities referred to in Article 11 (4).
Article 14
Member States shall adopt all relevant provisions prohibiting entry into their territory:
- of a firearm except in the cases defined in Articles 11 and 12 and provided the conditions laid down therein are met,
- of a weapon other than a firearm provided that the national provisions of the Member State in question so permit. CHAPTER 4 Final provisions
Article 15
1. Member States shall intensify controls on the possession of weapons at external Community frontiers. They shall in particular ensure that travellers from third countries who intend to proceed to another Member State comply with Article 12.
2. This Directive shall not preclude the carrying out of controls by Member States or by the carrier at the time of boarding of a means of transport.
3. Member States shall inform the Commission of the manner in which the controls referred to in paragraphs 1 and 2 are carried out. The Commission shall collate this information and make it available to all Member States.
4. Member States shall notify the Commission of their national provisions, including changes relating to the acquisition and possession of weapons, where the national law is more stringent than the minimum standard they are required to adopt. The Commission shall pass on such information to the other Member States.
Article 16
Member States shall introduce penalties for failure to comply with the provisions adopted pursuant to this Directive. Such penalties must be sufficient to promote compliance with such provisions.
Article 17
Within five years from the date of transposition of this Directive into national law, the Commission shall submit a report to the European Parliament and to the Council on the situation resulting from the application of this Directive, accompanied, if appropriate, by proposals.
Article 18
Member States shall bring into force the laws, regulations and administrative provisions necessary to comply with this Directive in good time so that the measures provided for by this Directive may be put into effect not later than 1 January 1993. They shall forthwith inform the Commission and the other Member States of the measures taken.
When Member States adopt these measures, they shall contain a reference to this Directive or shall be accompanied by such reference on the occasion of their official publication. The methods of making such a reference shall be laid down by the Member States.
Article 19
This Directive is addressed to the Member States. Done at Luxembourg, 18 June 1991. For the Council
The President
G. WOHLFART
(1) OJ No C 235, 1. 9. 1987, p. 8 and OJ No C 299, 28. 11. 1989, p. 6. (2) OJ No C 231, 17. 9. 1990, p. 69 and OJ No C 158, 17. 6. 1991, p. 89. (3) OJ No C 35, 8. 2. 1988, p. 5.
ANNEX I
I. For the purposes of this Directive, 'weapon' means:
- any firearm as defined in section II of this Annex,
- weapons other than firearms as defined in national legislation.
II. For the purposes of this Directive, 'firearm' means:
A. Any object which falls into one of the following categories, unless it meets the definition but is excluded for one of the reasons listed in section III.
Category A - Prohibited firearms
1. Explosive military missiles and launchers.
2. Automatic firearms.
3. Firearms disguised as other objects.
4. Ammunition with penetrating, explosive or incendiary projectiles, and the projectiles for such ammunition.
5. Pistol and revolver ammunition with expanding projectiles and the projectiles for such ammunition, except in the case of weapons for hunting or for target shooting, for persons entitled to use them.
Category B - Firearms subject to authorization
1. Semi-automatic or repeating short firearms.
2. Single-shot short firearms with centre-fire percussion.
3. Single-shot short firearms with rimfire percussion whose overall length is less than 28 cm.
4. Semi-automatic long firearms whose magazine and chamber can together hold more than three rounds.
5. Semi-automatic long firearms whose magazine and chamber cannot together hold more than three rounds, where the loading device is removable or where it is not certain that the weapon cannot be converted, with ordinary tools, into a weapon whose magazine and chamber can together hold more than three rounds.
6. Repeating and semi-automatic long firearms with smooth-bore barrels not exceeding 60 cm in length.
7. Semi-automatic firearms for civilian use which resemble weapons with automatic mechanisms.
Category C - Firearms subject to declaration
1. Repeating long firearms other than those listed in category B, point 6.
2. Long firearms with single-shot rifled barrels.
3. Semi-automatic long firearms other than those in category B, points 4 to 7.
4. Single-shot short firearms with rimfire percussion whose overall length is not less than 28 cm.
Category D - Other firearms
Single-shot long firearms with smooth-bore barrels.
B. Any essential component of such firearms:
The breach-closing mechanism, the chamber and the barrel of a firearm which, being separate objects, are included in the category of the firearms on which they are or are intended to be mounted.
III. For the purposes of this Annex objects which correspond to the definition of a 'firearm' shall not be included in that definition if they:
(a) have been rendered permanently unfit for use by the application of technical procedures which are guaranteed by an official body or recognized by such a body;
(b) are designed for alarm, signalling, life-saving, animal slaughter or harpoon fishing or for industrial or technical purposes provided that they can be used for the stated purpose only;
(c) are regarded as antique weapons or reproductions of such where these have not been included in the previous categories and are subject to national laws.
Pending coordination throughout the Community, Member States may apply their national laws to the firearms listed in this Section.
IV. For the purposes of this Annex:
(a) 'short firearm' means a firearm with a barrel not exceeding 30 centimetres or whose overall length does not exceed 60 centimetres;
(b) 'long firearm' means any firearm other than a short firearm;
(c) 'automatic firearm' means a firearm which reloads automatically each time a round is fired and can fire more than one round with one pull on the trigger;
(d) 'semi-automatic firearm' means a firearm which reloads automatically each time a round is fired and can fire only one round with one pull on the trigger;
(e) 'repeating firearm' means a firearm which after a round has been fired is designed to be reloaded from a magazine or cylinder by means of a manually-operated action;
(f) 'single-shot firearm' means a firearm with no magazine which is loaded before each shot by the manual insertion of a round into the chamber or a loading recess at the breech of the barrel;
(g) 'ammunition with penetrating projectiles' means ammunition for military use where the projectile is jacketed and has a penetrating hard core;
(h) 'ammunition with explosive projectiles' means ammunition for military use where the projectile contains a charge which explodes on impact;
(i) 'ammunition with incendiary projectiles' means ammunition for military use where the projectile contains a chemical mixture which bursts into flame on contact with the air or on impact.
ANNEX II
EUROPEAN FIREARMS PASS
The pass must include the following sections:
(a) identity of the holder;
(b) identification of the weapon or firearm, including a reference to the category within the meaning of the Directive;
(c) period of validity of the pass;
(d) section for use by the Member State issuing the pass (type and references of authorizations, etc.);
(e) section for entries by other Member States (authorizations to enter their territory, etc.);
(f) the statements:
'The right to travel to another Member State with one or more of the firearms in categories B, C or D mentioned in this pass shall be subject to one or more prior corresponding authorizations from the Member State visited. This or these authorizations may be recorded on the pass.
The prior authorization referred to above is not in principle necessary in order to travel with a firearm in categories C or D with a view to engaging in hunting or with a firearm in categories B, C or D for the purpose of taking part in target shooting, on condition that the traveller is in possession of the firearms pass and can establish the reason for the journey.'
Where a Member State has informed the other Member States, in accordance with Article 8 (3), that the possession of certain firearms in categories B, C or D is prohibited or subject to authorization, one of the following statements shall be added:
'A journey to . . . (State(s) concerned) with the firearm . . . (identification) shall be prohibited.'
'A journey to . . . (State(s) concerned) with the firearm . . . (identification) shall be subject to authorization.'
Evo EU direktiva o oruzju.
(Ovo direktiva me podsjeca na neka druga vremena i sisteme.... ali sta je tu je...)
Vaznost:
bitno je za svakog ko kupuje oruzje u Eu, odnosno ko putuje sa oruzje kroz clanice EU prema postojecim propisima i sa oruznom putovnicom.
izvor:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/Lex ... 477:en:NOT
Dakle, direktiva:
COUNCIL DIRECTIVE of 18 June 1991 on control of the acquisition and possession of weapons (91/477/EEC)
THE COUNCIL OF THE EUROPEAN COMMUNITIES,
Having regard to the Treaty establishing the European Economic Community, and in particular Article 100a thereof,
Having regard to the proposal from the Commission (1),
In cooperation with the European Parliament (2),
Having regard to the opinion of the Economic and Social Committee (3),
Whereas Article 8a of the Treaty provides that the internal market must be established by not later than 31 December 1992; whereas the internal market comprises an area without internal frontiers in which the free movement of goods, persons, services and capital is ensured, in accordance with the provisions of the Treaty;
Whereas, at its meeting in Fontainebleau on 25 and 26 June 1984, the European Council expressly set the objective of abolishing all police and customs formalities at intra-Community frontiers;
Whereas the total abolition of controls and formalities at intra-Community frontiers entails the fulfilment of certain fundamental conditions; whereas in its white paper 'Completing the internal market' the Commission stated that the abolition of controls on the safety of objects transported and on persons entails, among other things, the approximation of weapons legislation;
Whereas abolition of controls on the possession of weapons at intra-Community frontiers necessitates the adoption of effective rules enabling controls to be carried out within Member States on the acquisition and possession of firearms and on their transfer to another Member State; whereas systematic controls must therefore be abolished at intra-Community frontiers;
Whereas the mutual confidence in the field of the protection of the safety of persons which these rules will generate between Member States will be the greater if they are underpinned by partially harmonized legislation; whereas it would therefore be useful to determine category of firearms whose acquisition and possession by private persons are to be prohibited, or subject to authorization, or subject to declaration;
Whereas passing from one Member State to another while in possession of a weapon should, in principle, be prohibited; whereas a derogation therefrom is acceptable only if a procedure is adopted that enables Member States to be notified that a firearm is to be brought into their territory;
Whereas, however, more flexible rules should be adopted in respect of hunting and target shooting in order to avoid impeding the free movement of persons more that is necessary;
Whereas the Directive does not affect the right of Member States to take measures to prevent illegal trade in weapons,
HAS ADOPTED THIS DIRECTIVE: CHAPTER 1 Scope
Article 1
1. For the purposes of this Directive 'weapons' and 'firearms' shall have the meanings ascribed to them in Annex I. Firearms are classified and defined in section II of that Annex.
2. For the purposes of this Directive 'dealer' shall mean any natural or legal person whose trade or business consists wholly or partly in the manufacture, trade, exchange, hiring out, repair or conversion of firearms.
3. For the purposes of this Directive, a person shall be deemed to be a resident of the country indicated by the address appearing on a document establishing his place of residence, such as a passport or an identity card, which, on a check on possession or on acquisition, is submitted to the authorities of a Member State or to a dealer.
4. The 'European firearms pass' is a document which is issued on request by the authorities of a Member State to a person lawfully entering into possession of and using a firearm. It shall be valid for a maximum period of five years. The period of validity may be extended. Where only firearms classified in category D appear on the pass, the maximum period of validity thereof shall be ten years. It shall contain the information set out in Annex II. The 'European firearms pass' is a non-transferable document, on which shall be entered the firearm or firearms possessed and used by the holder of the pass. The pass must always be in the possession of the person using the firearm. Changes in the possession or characteristics of the firearms shall be indicated on the pass, as well as the loss or theft of the firearm.
Article 2
1. This Directive is without prejudice to the application of national provisions concerning the carrying of weapons, hunting or target shooting.
2. This Directive shall not apply to the acquisition or possession of weapons and ammunition, in accordance with national law, by the armed forces, the police, the public authorities or by collectors and bodies concerned with the cultural and historical aspects of weapons and recognized as such by the Member State in whose territory they are established. Nor shall it apply to commercial transfers of weapons and ammunition of war.
Article 3
Member States may adopt in their legislation provisions which are more stringent than those provided for in this Directive, subject to the rights conferred on residents of the Member States by Article 12 (2). CHAPTER 2 Harmonization of legislation concerning firearms
Article 4
At least in respect of categories A and B, each Member State shall make the pursuit of the activity of dealer within its territory conditional upon authorization on the basis of at least a check on the private and professional integrity of the dealer. In the case of a legal person, the check shall be on the person who directs the undertaking. In respect of categories C and D, each Member State which does not make the pursuit of the activity of dealer conditional upon authorization shall make such activity subject to a declaration.
Each dealer shall be required to keep a register in which information concerning all firearms classified in category A, B or C received or disposed of by him shall be recorded, including such particulars as enable the weapon to be identified, in particular the type, make, model, calibre and serial number thereof and the names and addresses of the supplier and the person acquiring the weapon. The Member States shall regularly check dealers' compliance with this obligation. The dealer shall conserve the register for a period of five years, even after he has ceased his activity.
Article 5
Without prejudice to Article 3, Member States shall allow the acquisition and possession of firearms classified in category B only by persons who have good cause and who:
(a) are 18 years old or more, except for hunting or target shooting;
(b) are not likely to be a danger to themselves, to public order or to public safety.
Without prejudice to Article 3, Member States shall allow the possession of firearms classified in categories C and D only by persons satisfying the conditions in point (a) of the first paragraph.
Member States may withdraw authorization for possession of the firearm if any of the conditions in point (b) of the first paragraph is no longer satisfied.
Member States may not prohibit persons resident within their territories from possessing a weapon acquired in another Member State unless they prohibit the acquisition of the same weapon within their own territories.
Article 6
Member States shall take all appropriate steps to prohibit the acquisition and the possession of the firearms and ammunition classified in category A. In special cases, the competent authorities may grant authorizations for such firearms and ammunition where this is not contrary to public security or public order.
Article 7
1. No one may acquire a firearm classified in category B within the territory of a Member State unless that Member State has so authorized him.
No such authorization may be given to a resident of another Member State without the latter's prior agreement.
2. No one may be in possession of a firearm classified in category B within the territory of a Member State unless that Member State has so authorized him. If he is a resident of another Member State, that other Member State shall be informed accordingly.
3. An authorization to acquire and an authorization to possess a firearm classified in category B may take the form of a single administrative decision.
Article 8
1. No one may be in possession of a firearm classified in category C unless he has declared it to the authorities of the Member State in which that firearm is held.
The Member States shall provide for the compulsory declaration of all firearms classified in category C at present held within their territories but not previously declared within one year of the entry into force of the national provisions transposing this Directive.
2. Every seller, dealer or private person shall inform the authorities of the Member State in which it takes place of every transfer or handing over of a firearm classified in category C, giving the particulars by which the firearm and the person acquiring it may be identified. If the person acquiring such a firearm is a resident of another Member State, that other Member State shall be informed of the acquisition by the Member State in which it took place and by the person acquiring the firearm.
3. If a Member State prohibits or makes subject to authorization the acquisition and possession within its territory of a firearm classified in category B, C or D, it shall so inform the other Member States, which shall expressly include a statement to that effect on any European firearms pass they issue for such a firearm, pursuant to Article 12 (2).
Article 9
1. The handing over of a firearm classified in category A, B or C to a person who is not resident in the Member State in question shall be permitted, subject to compliance with the obligations laid down in Articles 6, 7 and 8:
- where the person acquiring it has been authorized in accordance with Article 11 himself to effect a transfer to his country of residence,
- where the person acquiring it submits a written declaration testifying to and justifying his intention to be in possession of the firearm in the Member State of acquisition, provided that he fulfils the legal conditions for possession in that Member State.
2. Member States may authorize the temporary handing over of firearms in accordance with procedures which they shall lay down.
Article 10
The arrangements for the acquisition and possession of ammunition shall be the same as those for the possession of the firearms for which the ammunition is intended. CHAPTER 3 Formalities for the movement of weapons within the Community
Article 11
1. Firearms may, without prejudice to Article 12, be transferred from one Member State to another only in accordance with the procedure laid down in the following paragraphs. These provisions shall also apply to transfers of firearms following a mail order sale.
2. Where a firearm is to be transferred to another Member State, the person concerned shall, before it is taken there, supply the following particulars to the Member State in which such firearm is situated:
- the names and addresses of the person selling or disposing of the firearm and of the person purchasing or acquiring it or, where appropriate, of the owner,
- the address to which the firearm is to be consigned or transported,
- the number of firearms to be consigned or transported,
- the particulars enabling the firearm to be identified and also an indication that the firearm has undergone a check in accordance with the Convention of 1 July 1969 on the Reciprocal Recognition of Proofmarks on Small Arms,
- the means of transfer,
- the date of departure and the estimated date of arrival.
The information referred to in the last two indents need not be supplied where the transfer takes place between dealers.
The Member State shall examine the conditions under which the transfer is to be carried out, in particular with regard to security.
Where the Member State authorizes such transfer, it shall issue a licence incorporating all the particulars referred to in the first subparagraph. Such licence shall accompany the firearm until it reaches its destination; it shall be produced whenever so required by the authorities of the Member States.
3. In the case of transfer of the firearms, other than weapons of war, excluded from the scope of this Directive pursuant to Article 2 (2), each Member State may grant dealers the right to effect transfers of firearms from its territory to a dealer established in another Member State without the prior authorization referred to in paragraph 2. To that end it shall issue an authorization valid for no more than three years, which may at any time be suspended or cancelled by reasoned decision. A document referring to that authorization must accompany the firearm until it reaches its destination; it must be produced whenever so required by the authorities of the Member States.
Not later than the time of transfer, the dealer shall communicate to the authorities of the Member State from which the transfer is to be effected all the particulars listed in the first subparagraph of paragraph 2.
4. Each Member State shall supply the other Member States with a list of firearms the transfer of which to its territory may not be authorized without its prior consent.
Such lists of firearms shall be communicated to dealers who have obtained approval for transferring firearms without prior authorization under the procedure laid down in paragraph 3.
Article 12
1. If the procedure provided for in Article 11 is not employed, the possession of a firearm during a journey through two or more Member States shall not be permitted unless the person concerned has obtained the authorization of each of those Member States.
Member States may grant such authorization for one or more journeys for a maximum period of one year, subject to renewal. Such authorizations shall be entered on the European firearms pass, which the traveller must produce whenever so required by the authorities of the Member States.
2. Notwithstanding paragraph 1, hunters, in respect of categories C and D, and marksmen, in respect of category B, C and D, may without prior authorization be in possession of one or more firearms classified in these categories during a journey through two or more Member States with a view to engaging in their activities, provided that they are in possession of a European firearms pass listing such firearm or firearms and provided that they are able to substantiate the reasons for their journey, in particular by producing an invitation.
However, this derogation shall not apply to journeys to a Member State which prohibits the acquisition and possession of the firearm in question or which, pursuant to Article 8 (3), makes it subject to authorization; in that case, an express statement to that effect shall be entered on the European firearms pass.
In the context of the report referred to in Article 17, the Commission in consultation with the Member States, will also consider the effects of applying the second subparagraph, particularly as regards its impact on public order and public security.
3. Under agreements for the mutual recognition of national documents, two or more Member States may provide for arrangements more flexible than those prescribed in this Article for movement with firearms within their territories.
Article 13
1. Each Member State shall communicate all useful information at its disposal concerning definitive transfers of firearms to the Member State to the territory of which such a transfer has been effected.
2. All information that Member States receive by way of the procedures laid down in Article 11 for transfers of firearms and in Article 7 (2) and Article 8 (2) for the acquisition and possession of firearms by non-residents shall be communicated, not later than the time of the relevant transfers, to the Member States of destination and, where appropriate, not later than the time of transfer to the Member States of transit.
3. Member States shall set up, by 1 January 1993 at the latest, networks for the exchange of information for the purposes of applying this Article. They shall inform the other Member States and the Commission of the national authorities responsible for transmitting and receiving information and for applying the formalities referred to in Article 11 (4).
Article 14
Member States shall adopt all relevant provisions prohibiting entry into their territory:
- of a firearm except in the cases defined in Articles 11 and 12 and provided the conditions laid down therein are met,
- of a weapon other than a firearm provided that the national provisions of the Member State in question so permit. CHAPTER 4 Final provisions
Article 15
1. Member States shall intensify controls on the possession of weapons at external Community frontiers. They shall in particular ensure that travellers from third countries who intend to proceed to another Member State comply with Article 12.
2. This Directive shall not preclude the carrying out of controls by Member States or by the carrier at the time of boarding of a means of transport.
3. Member States shall inform the Commission of the manner in which the controls referred to in paragraphs 1 and 2 are carried out. The Commission shall collate this information and make it available to all Member States.
4. Member States shall notify the Commission of their national provisions, including changes relating to the acquisition and possession of weapons, where the national law is more stringent than the minimum standard they are required to adopt. The Commission shall pass on such information to the other Member States.
Article 16
Member States shall introduce penalties for failure to comply with the provisions adopted pursuant to this Directive. Such penalties must be sufficient to promote compliance with such provisions.
Article 17
Within five years from the date of transposition of this Directive into national law, the Commission shall submit a report to the European Parliament and to the Council on the situation resulting from the application of this Directive, accompanied, if appropriate, by proposals.
Article 18
Member States shall bring into force the laws, regulations and administrative provisions necessary to comply with this Directive in good time so that the measures provided for by this Directive may be put into effect not later than 1 January 1993. They shall forthwith inform the Commission and the other Member States of the measures taken.
When Member States adopt these measures, they shall contain a reference to this Directive or shall be accompanied by such reference on the occasion of their official publication. The methods of making such a reference shall be laid down by the Member States.
Article 19
This Directive is addressed to the Member States. Done at Luxembourg, 18 June 1991. For the Council
The President
G. WOHLFART
(1) OJ No C 235, 1. 9. 1987, p. 8 and OJ No C 299, 28. 11. 1989, p. 6. (2) OJ No C 231, 17. 9. 1990, p. 69 and OJ No C 158, 17. 6. 1991, p. 89. (3) OJ No C 35, 8. 2. 1988, p. 5.
ANNEX I
I. For the purposes of this Directive, 'weapon' means:
- any firearm as defined in section II of this Annex,
- weapons other than firearms as defined in national legislation.
II. For the purposes of this Directive, 'firearm' means:
A. Any object which falls into one of the following categories, unless it meets the definition but is excluded for one of the reasons listed in section III.
Category A - Prohibited firearms
1. Explosive military missiles and launchers.
2. Automatic firearms.
3. Firearms disguised as other objects.
4. Ammunition with penetrating, explosive or incendiary projectiles, and the projectiles for such ammunition.
5. Pistol and revolver ammunition with expanding projectiles and the projectiles for such ammunition, except in the case of weapons for hunting or for target shooting, for persons entitled to use them.
Category B - Firearms subject to authorization
1. Semi-automatic or repeating short firearms.
2. Single-shot short firearms with centre-fire percussion.
3. Single-shot short firearms with rimfire percussion whose overall length is less than 28 cm.
4. Semi-automatic long firearms whose magazine and chamber can together hold more than three rounds.
5. Semi-automatic long firearms whose magazine and chamber cannot together hold more than three rounds, where the loading device is removable or where it is not certain that the weapon cannot be converted, with ordinary tools, into a weapon whose magazine and chamber can together hold more than three rounds.
6. Repeating and semi-automatic long firearms with smooth-bore barrels not exceeding 60 cm in length.
7. Semi-automatic firearms for civilian use which resemble weapons with automatic mechanisms.
Category C - Firearms subject to declaration
1. Repeating long firearms other than those listed in category B, point 6.
2. Long firearms with single-shot rifled barrels.
3. Semi-automatic long firearms other than those in category B, points 4 to 7.
4. Single-shot short firearms with rimfire percussion whose overall length is not less than 28 cm.
Category D - Other firearms
Single-shot long firearms with smooth-bore barrels.
B. Any essential component of such firearms:
The breach-closing mechanism, the chamber and the barrel of a firearm which, being separate objects, are included in the category of the firearms on which they are or are intended to be mounted.
III. For the purposes of this Annex objects which correspond to the definition of a 'firearm' shall not be included in that definition if they:
(a) have been rendered permanently unfit for use by the application of technical procedures which are guaranteed by an official body or recognized by such a body;
(b) are designed for alarm, signalling, life-saving, animal slaughter or harpoon fishing or for industrial or technical purposes provided that they can be used for the stated purpose only;
(c) are regarded as antique weapons or reproductions of such where these have not been included in the previous categories and are subject to national laws.
Pending coordination throughout the Community, Member States may apply their national laws to the firearms listed in this Section.
IV. For the purposes of this Annex:
(a) 'short firearm' means a firearm with a barrel not exceeding 30 centimetres or whose overall length does not exceed 60 centimetres;
(b) 'long firearm' means any firearm other than a short firearm;
(c) 'automatic firearm' means a firearm which reloads automatically each time a round is fired and can fire more than one round with one pull on the trigger;
(d) 'semi-automatic firearm' means a firearm which reloads automatically each time a round is fired and can fire only one round with one pull on the trigger;
(e) 'repeating firearm' means a firearm which after a round has been fired is designed to be reloaded from a magazine or cylinder by means of a manually-operated action;
(f) 'single-shot firearm' means a firearm with no magazine which is loaded before each shot by the manual insertion of a round into the chamber or a loading recess at the breech of the barrel;
(g) 'ammunition with penetrating projectiles' means ammunition for military use where the projectile is jacketed and has a penetrating hard core;
(h) 'ammunition with explosive projectiles' means ammunition for military use where the projectile contains a charge which explodes on impact;
(i) 'ammunition with incendiary projectiles' means ammunition for military use where the projectile contains a chemical mixture which bursts into flame on contact with the air or on impact.
ANNEX II
EUROPEAN FIREARMS PASS
The pass must include the following sections:
(a) identity of the holder;
(b) identification of the weapon or firearm, including a reference to the category within the meaning of the Directive;
(c) period of validity of the pass;
(d) section for use by the Member State issuing the pass (type and references of authorizations, etc.);
(e) section for entries by other Member States (authorizations to enter their territory, etc.);
(f) the statements:
'The right to travel to another Member State with one or more of the firearms in categories B, C or D mentioned in this pass shall be subject to one or more prior corresponding authorizations from the Member State visited. This or these authorizations may be recorded on the pass.
The prior authorization referred to above is not in principle necessary in order to travel with a firearm in categories C or D with a view to engaging in hunting or with a firearm in categories B, C or D for the purpose of taking part in target shooting, on condition that the traveller is in possession of the firearms pass and can establish the reason for the journey.'
Where a Member State has informed the other Member States, in accordance with Article 8 (3), that the possession of certain firearms in categories B, C or D is prohibited or subject to authorization, one of the following statements shall be added:
'A journey to . . . (State(s) concerned) with the firearm . . . (identification) shall be prohibited.'
'A journey to . . . (State(s) concerned) with the firearm . . . (identification) shall be subject to authorization.'

Article 11(2) and Article 10 of Directive 91/477/eec
Clanci koji to odredjuju su 10, i 11-2.
Clanak 11-2
Kod prenosenja vatrenog oruzja u drugu drzavu clanicu, osoba je duzna prije prijenosa dostaviti slijedece podatke drzavi u kojoj se oruzje nalazi.
- imena I adrese osoba koje oruzje prodaju ili daju, I imena osoba koje oruzje kupuju ili dobijaju, ili ako je moguce – vlasnika oruzja.
- Adresu na koju se oruzje salje ili transportira
- Kolicina oruzja koja se salje ili transportira
- Detalji identifikacije oruzja I takodje indikaciju da je vatreno oruzje proslo provjeru u skladu s konvencijom od 01/07/1969 o uzajamnom priznavanju zigova na osobnom oruzju.
- Sredstvo transporta
- Datum pocetka transporta I procijenjeno vrijeme dolaska na odrediste
Informacije iz zadnja dva stavka ne treba se dostaviti ukoliko se transfer desava izmedju ovlastenih trgovaca oruzjem.
Drzava clanica ce istraziti uvjete pod kojim se transport odvija s posebnom paznjom na sigurnost transporta.
Kad drzava clanica odobri takav transfer, izdat ce dozvolu koja ukljucuje sve detalje iz prvog stavka. Takva dozvola ce pratiti oruzje dok ne stigne na odreediste. Bit ice dostupna na zahtjev u svakom trenutku kad to zatraze nadlezne vlasti drzave clanice.
Clanak 10
Odredbe i nabavka streljiva bit ice iste kao kod nabavke vatrenog oruzja za koju je streljivo namjenjeno.
--- problem je ono sto sam podebljao. A pitanje jel se sve skupa odnosi na pravne osobe, ili na pravne i fizicke.
Ako se odnosi na fizicke, e onda imamo problem jer mi nije poznato da nas mup izdaje formular "EU nabavne".
Prema nase ZoO, isprave o oruzju su slijedece:
Isprave o oružju prema ovom Zakonu su:
1. odobrenje za nabavu oružja,
2. odobrenje za nabavu streljiva (nakon pristupa u EU: Europska oružana propusnica),
3. oružni list za držanje ili oružni list za držanje i nošenje oružja,
4. odobrenje za sakupljanje starog oružja,
5. odobrenje za držanje oružja,
6. dopusnica za neposredno rukovanje vatrenim oružjem,
7. druge isprave o oružju izdane na temelju međunarodnih ugovora.
I onda ispada da imamo pod brojem 7.... "EU nabavna" po nasem zakonu nije bas precizno definirana.
Kao pesimista - slutim mali zastoj...
Osim ako na pr. Slovenija (ili bilo koja EU drzava) ne prizna prijevod nase dobre - stare nabavne dozvole kao i do sada.
Hrvatskog nije bilo.
Najbolje je ici na link koji sam gore dao, i ukjuciti google translator.
Inace ona dva clanka koja sam naveo da definiraju kupovinu, nije puno za prevesti pa cu staviti u slijedecem postu.
U kategoriju C spada sve dugo repetirajuce oruzje, manje je zabranjenih tipova oruzja, za lov i streljastvo moze se imati manje od 18 godina...
HR prevoda jos nema, ali trebao bi se pojaviti na sluzbenim stranicama EU (isti link kao i na engleskom, samo se izaberi HR jezik).
Inace, izdan je zakon o europskoj oruznoj propusnici - http://narodne-novine.nn.hr/clanci/sluz ... _1062.html
Reci samo da li si kontaktirao ducan u Sloveniji, i sto su ti rekli - koja je procedura?
Da li ce ti prodati uz nasu nabavnu, traze li prijevod nabavne ili traze nepostojeci hrvatski EU obrazac?
To sto platis u Sloveniji je uglavnom sve, jedino ostaju takse za registraciju u MUP-u.
Ja bih te samo zamolio - kad rijesis kupovinu u Sloveniji, da javis postupak. I javi u kujem si ducanu uzeo.
Ja sam u prvoj polovini 7. mjeseca, nakon sta smo usli u EU, bio u ducanu u Sloveniji sa nabavnom, i tamo mi nisu htjeli prodati pistolj - jer su mi trazili taj EU obrazac.
Informacije koje sam do sad skupio o proceduri kupovine oruzja u Sloveniji su konfuzne:
1. "Rebec" u Postojni, trazi EU formular nabavne (Europska dozvola za transfer)
2. "Artek" - ovdje na forumu, tvrdi da sa nabavnom dodjes, platis i nosis robu iz ducana
3. "Varnost" - Maribor, tvrdi da mi oni naprave sav prijevod i formalnosti, platsi robu, a on ti je doveze na granicu - kao nekad.
Tako da bi bilo dobro da javis, koja je procedura.
Ima sad jedna trgovina nova otvorena(lovačka) odmah u Lendavi, samo što je oružje u usporedbi sa našim dučanima cijena skoro ista pa skoro da se i ne isplati, samo što je meni bliže do njih nego u zagreb.
U petak ču znati koliko točno košta prijevod naše nabavne dozvole pa ču odgovoriti a također ču kontaktirati kolegu u Varnosti da vidimo koliki je trošak kad se kupuje kod njih osim što platiš određeni dio oružja u dučanu..
Javi kako je proslo.
1. ONO sto je sigurno je to da NASI NECE mjenjati formulare nabavnih dozvola jos neko XYZ - VRIJEME !
2. Trgovac vani moze a i NE mora prihvatiti nasu dozvolu bez prevoda
3. Ako se trazi prevod onda MORA BITI od ovlastenog tumaca za jezik na kojem se trazi.
4. Nakon par dana GUN je dosao doma na ruke preko nase poste !!
5. Ako se radi preko nekog posrednika u stranoj zemlji onda treba i te troskove predvidjeti, jer kupovina od privatne osobe mora imati neki dokaz kao sto je racun od posrednika ili ovjeren ugovor od Notara...
Pretpostavljam da se tvoj komentari odnose na Njemacku.
Ali vezano za citirano pod brojem 3:
Da li ovlasteni tumac mora biti iz Zemlje gdje se prodaje oruzje, ili moze i Hrvatski ovlasteni tumac?
Vezano za 4 i 5 (u pravu si 100%):
Kontaktirao sam Frankoniu - u Njemackoj: rekli su mi da se moze kupiti preko nase nabavne, uz prijevod.
Moraju robu poslati postom (to jest - ne mogu preuzeti osobno), i moraju poslati preko speditera - od kojeg bih ja kasnije podigao - sto dovodi do porasta troskova, koje si spomenuo jer mi gubi isplativost. (spedicija 280 eura + 30 eura administracija + prijevod nabavne na Njemacki)
Pa sam fokusiran na Sloveniju.
Paket je dosao istko kao kad ti netko posalje patike, posta nema pojma sto je u paketu, naravno da posiljka ima tracking number i da moras potpisati primitak.
SA racunom i sa svojom original nabavnom odes u MUP, onda te ref.trazi da doneses racun preveden na hrvatski iako to u zakonu nigdje ne pise, pa kad to dostavis gotova prica.....
mozes mi molimte reci još o kojem se ducanu radi u njemackoj?
U petak ču znati koliko točno košta prijevod naše nabavne dozvole pa ču odgovoriti a također ču kontaktirati kolegu u Varnosti da vidimo koliki je trošak kad se kupuje kod njih osim što platiš određeni dio oružja u dučanu..[/quote]
miki 1,
ima li novosti?
moram platiti neku dozvolu 25 eura,ne znam na kakvu dozvolu misli i ako bih kupio
oruzje u Slo da li je to sve sto trebam platiti ili jos ima kojesta sto se mora platiti kod nas!?
naime kad mi je stigla nabavna - usli smo vec u EU - i do sad mi jos nije bas jasno (kao ni vecini) koja je procedura.
Vidi i sam ona 3 odgovora od tri razlicita trgovca u Sloveniji. (!???
Moje informacije svode se na sve ono sto sam prethodno naveo.
Cim rijesim kupovinu, a planiram to uciniti za 15-tak dana - javim iz prve ruke - a do tad upijam informacije.
Vidi malo od Arteka u njegovom podforumu - tamo je objasnjavao neke taxe kod kupovine streljiva, koje kad platis vrijede 6 mjeseci.
U ilirskoj bistrici mi je u "Lovcu" (prije ulaska u EU), nesto govorio o taxama administrativnim oko cca 20-tak eurica.
Rebec treba ishodovati, kao i prije EU, izvoznu dozvolu (prijevoznu dozvolu) iz Slovenije i to košta nešto, cca 40 EUR (administrativni troškovi pri upravni enoti Postojna). Ako ste uvozili oružje iz npr. Italije, to vas je koštalo 12 EUR (dozvola za prijevoz oružja kroz Sloveniju-zahtjev se podnosio i dobijao isti dan u Slovenskom konzulatu u Trstu).
S istim oružjem Rebec (ili vi ako ste nabavili dozvolu prijevoza preko Slovenije) dolazite na SL-HR granicu, prijavite uvoz, naši vam plavci uredno ovjere nabavnu (ponište obavljeni uvoz na poleđini) te se javljate u svoju PU na registraciju. Carine nema!
Provjereno u CI Kukuljanovo-Rijeka/kontaktirali ZG. (info od cca pred 3 tjedna).
sa PDV-om!? Ili je ovo sto si napisao sve?
Ne placas PDV i ne placas carinu kod uvoza.
I nemas pravo na povrat pdv-a, na primjer za robu kupljneu u sloveniji.
Nema vise carinske kontrole na granici sa Slovenijom.
Ostalo je slijedece po starom:
Policijska kontrola na granici prema Sloveniji, kao sto je i bilo.
I dalje pokazujes pasos kod ulaska / izlaska u zemlju.
U doba turisticke sezone jos uvijek se moze desiti da zaglavis na granici u nekoj koloni.
I dalje imamo kunu kao valutu.
Registarske tablice HR vozila jos uvijek su ista.
(za sad ne vidim velike promjene)
Trenutno sam u UK i nemam svakodnevni kontakt s prijateljem koji uvozi pušku, ali čim saznam pojedinosti i imam pristup internetu javim se.
Točne procedure še zdaj ne vem, še nisem dobil odgovora. Skoraj gotovo je, da bo moral kupce priti k nam v Maribor, kasneje bova šla na UE in verjetno na mejo.
Edino, kar je sprememba, da ne rabim več iti z Vami na carino. Zraven mora imeti dovoljenje s strani hrvaškega zakonodajalca. Doplačilo za hrvaške kupce je naših
dodatnih stroškov 80 € glede na našo slovensko ceno (na naši upravni enoti je še dodatno strošek cca. 20-30 € papirji za izvoz).
Evo ja sam njega još pitao koji su troškovi dodatni ako se recimo kupi pištolj kod njih pa evo još njegov odgovor:
Drugače pa so dodatni stroški, če se kupi pištola pri nas, povezani s stroški logistike -> skupaj s kupcem je potrebno iti na
našo UE, tam je potrebno počakati od 1-2 uri, nato se gre skupaj s kupcem na mejo (kjer se ob prisotnosti policije preda orožje).
Torej – za kupca je potrebno cca. 6-8 ur celotne procedure (odvisno tudi od čakanja na meji) + izposoja avta + stroški goriva.
Isto pitanje postavljeno kolegi šefu trgovine Koptex u Murskoj Soboti:
On veli da normalno naša nabavna, iči na njihovu UE cca20-30Eura i da treba evropsko izvozno dovoljenje za izvoz opet cca20-30Eura
Također pitan jedan kolega vlasnik lovačkog dučana u slo on je išao detaljno provjeravati i zvao svog kolegu koji radi na UE i cijena tog na u UE je22.66Eura i veli da drugo ništa ne treba i da sama stranka ide sa time na granicu netreba nitko iči sa njime, evo to su njihovi odgovori možda ja osobno odem kupiti karabin kod njih mada sam još u pregovoru oko cijene, jer nakraju kod nas ispada jeftinije nego kod njih.Moilm nekoga tko je dovezao da nam javi iskustvo i točnu proceduru, mada u Sloveniji je razlika od trgovine do trgovine netko traži svašta netko ništa.
razlike u cijenama gledajuci na netu pa me malo cudi sto ih dosta hoce u soping u Delzelu(i
sam sam imao neke planove), a da ne kazem sve te pizdarije s papirima koje su mi dosta nejasne
i nedorecene. Netko veli da se moze ,netko da ne i kad se sve skupa uzme u obzir(put-gorivo,takse
biljezi i tko zna sto jos malo me projde volja. Ne znam,daj Boze da grijesim ali...
Nemoj misliti da je na netu "sve istina".
75% stvari koje su na primjer na web siteu od "Lovca" - cijene su navedene, ali tog nema, i nije bas sigurno kad ce biti slijedeci uvoz. Ima jos primjera
Tako da neke stvari nisu dobavljive uopce, a tako lijepo su izlozene na webu.
To ti je za duge i kratke cijevi.
A ako imas neki egzoticni calibar - e to je onda "mission imposible" za nabaviti streljivo.
Cijelo vrijeme Vam se naglsasava da treba korisitit usluge poste ili kurirske sluzbe za kupovinu oruzja izvan HR. Sve drugo je peripetija bez potrebe....
Hvala na info!
Link je u prvom postu.
Dobarrrrrrrrrrr !!!
Izdajete EU izvozne papire ili jos uvjek trebam najavu prelazka i spremstvo do granice i onda tamo nesto prijavit policiji?
Novo iskustvo kod kupovine oružja od privatne osobe u Sloveniji.Eto kupio stayer ssg 69 i procedura je bila sljedeča: Predao sam našu nabavnu čovijeku od koga sam kupio i on je sve odjavio u sloveniji, i tamo su u njihovim službamo odjavili oružje, samo je on doma isprintao jedan papir na kojem je napisao da on meni prodaje oružje i broj svoje osobne i osobne podatke moje i samo su to ovjerili na policiji gdje je odjavljivao oružje i platio nekih 1.5eura i dovezao mi pušku sa nabavnom na granicu tamo sam ga pričekao preuzeo oružje i prijavio u našem Mupu, svaka čast sve jednostavno i super riješeno nisam trebao biti ni u slo Pohvale našim djelatnicima na granici kao i osoblju u Pu..Dok je kolega išao sa našom nabavnom u austriju kupovati i tamo ga teta na policiji odbila da mora doči sa europskom nabavnom i nije riješio ništajer ta nabavna u hrvatskoj ne postoji znači treba važiti naša nabavna koja važi i u našoj zemlji.
a za ovaj drugi slučaj mi je malo čudno
prijatelj je nedavno uzeo pušku u dučanu u austriji i nikakvih problem nije bilo
samo je još morao platiti austrijsku izvoznu dozvolu 60€, i pušku prijaviti na izlasku iz slovenije
Zato i pitam, kako je rjeseno to za izvoz iz HR.
Jel vec samo poslao moje papire (EU uvozno, kopijo OL i osobne) u HR i sad na MUP trazijo najavo prelazka granice, prijavo na granici, pratnjo do granice i izdajo HR papira.
Meni tu nesto ne valja.
Kod nas so vec imali primera uvoza iz HR ali sad su sve rjesavali sa EU papirima. Ali mislim da Osjecka upravna enota nima pojma kako ..
kod nas ti svaka enota ima svoja pravila, točnije svaka baba na svakom šalteru ima svoju viziju kako bi trebala ići procedura
meni je privatna osoba poslala svoji nabavnu dozvolu (slovensku)sa već svim unaprijed ispunjenim podatcima
ja sam otišao u svoju policijsku postaju i odjavio oružje, gospođa koja radi na šalteru me je samo pitala kako mislim dostaviti oružje u republiku sloveniju, te sam joj odgovorio da ODMAH - OSOBNO vozim pušku na Obrežje te se nalazim sa kupcem i prijavljujemo je policijskom djelatniku na granici. on je samo provjerio serijski broj na papirima i oružju, te je sebi kopirao jedan primjerak nabavne dozvole te je to bilo to.
Samo da napomenem da u mojoj "enoti" rade tri predivne gospođe koje nikad nisu nervozne, uvijek ti daju savijet i odgovor i uvijek se sve lijepo dogovorimo. Vjerujem da ako si "ti" bahat ili bezobrazan ili joj lijepo ne obasniš stvari onda su i one isto takve prema "tebi"....mada nije ni to uvijek pravilo
Ali kako se kaže, lijepa rijeć otvara svaka vrata
Nigdje ne mogu da pronadjem sta o EU direktivama u vasom zakonu o oruzju, koje bi se nanosile na uvoz ili izvoz oruzja u drzave clanice EU. Ne nadjem ni EU formulare..
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Ja sam poslao kopiju nabavne dozvole u Italiju za nabavu revolver.
Odgovor prodavaca je bio taj da je on to prosliijedio u Rim i da sa sada Rim treba uskalditi sa Zagrebom.
Pitao sam ga sto bi bilo ako prevedem dozvolu na Talijanski da li bi to ubrzalo procedur na on mi je on odgovorio da to vise ne vrijedi i da se ne moze kao prije kupovati oružje.
Proslo je 45 da i dobio sam odgovor od prodavaca da i on jos uvijek ceka odgovor iz Rima.
Teze je sada nabaviti oružje nego prije EU, kada Hrvatska nije uskladila zakone i papire sa EU.
je cilj samo uhljebiti podobne. To nuzno vodi u propast. Na nasu zalost i sramotu postali smo predmet
sprdnje.
Ali isto tako, da baba ima ku*ac bila bi deda.
Citam u "Lovackom Vjesniku", navodno da sa Evropskom Oruznom Putovnicom se moze (ili "ce se moci") kupovati streljivo po zemljama EU. Ako neko ima neku povratnu informaciju iz vlastitog iskustva nek napise.
Zasto bi kupovao kod nas RWS za 30 kuna kada vani mogu ici na streljanu i kupiti taj isti metak za 1.10 ili 1.20 Eur.
nacija koja ima skuplje streljivo od nas.
Kratkorocno to ovim kretenima znaci samo vise poreza u drzavnu blagajnu, no dugorocno znaci zatvaranje mase trgovina i obrta te otjecanje novca izvan HR, znaci vise nezaposlenih, manje novca u drzavnu blagajnu i neizbjezno povecavanje poreza za sve one koje su jos dovoljno ludi da rade i zive u HR !!!
Svi to kuze osim VLADAJUCIH.
Jedino je jeba, od kud pare za oružje, streljivo i članarine...
Bi li se to dalo povući iz EU fondova...???
naprave dobar projekat! Takodje predlazem da se u projektu navede da nam doniraju, tj
financijski pokriju iz EU fondova i druge proizvode, a ne samo Sig Sauere, tako da kad sve
to isprobamo...imamo i o cemu pisati na forumu. Naravno...treba traziti da isprobamo sve
postojece vrste streljiva Europskih proizvodjaca...i svi sretni...mi ce mo se kao najnezaposlenija
nacija u EU napucati i kao dobre Rvatine necemo cak ni traziti da nam dodatno plate sto
isprobavamo njihove proizvode...
Zasto bih nosio municiju sa sobom van HR ako je mogu kupiti u SLO ili DE ili OE itd.... osim toga ako mi prefali municije sto onda, to je valjani dokument na podrucju EU, trgovcu je bitno da artikle moze knjiziti na valjanu ispravu. Da stvar bude bolja EU-OR list vazi samo uz originalni OR zemlje izdavatelja. !!!
Ja imam EU orozni list a ne mogu kupovat municije sa njime u AT.
Trebas jos uvozno dozvolo za municijo koju se salje prodavacu onda mora on nabavit izvozno dozvolo za izvoz municije. Bas isto je za oruzje.
EU oruzni list koristim za utakmice u AT. I jos data trebas imat sa sobom poziv organizatora utakmice koji ti sluzi kao razlog zasto imas sa sobom oruzje ako te ustave koja kontrola..
Po drugoj strani pa so prodavaci u AT tako tako.. Jedni prodaje svasta bez papira, jedni samo za municijo za puske a ne za kratkocevno itd., imas svasta.
Ali uradno ne mozes kupovat sa EU oroznim listom municije. Ako jo dobijes, ovaj dokument nije razlog. Ako te hapsne na granici imat ces problema bez izvoznih papira od prodavaca.
To je istina, ali barem u AT je ta praksa dosta flexibilna ?
>EU oruzni list koristim za utakmice u AT. I jos data trebas imat sa sobom poziv organizatora utakmice koji ti sluzi kao razlog >zasto imas sa sobom oruzje ako te ustave koja kontrola..
A daj mi reci kakav poziv imas kada nosis oruzje kod puskara u AT radi kontrole ili dorate ili testiranja, gdje u zakonu pise da moram imati neki razlog crno na bijelo kada nosim oruzje u drugu zemlju, imam vljane dokumente, na kraju krajeva mogu ici na trening skupa sa prijateljem , jel tako ili nije ???
>Ako te hapsne na granici imat ces problema bez izvoznih papira od prodavaca,
Ne kuzim, pa mi kada idemo na pucanje u SLO uredno prijavimo municiju i oruzje na granici i nitko nam ne pravi probleme ....
Ne znam kako je kad nosis puskaru ili ides samo na trening .. Pitajte jos koje na strelec.si ili na kojem AT forumu.
Kad idete na pucanje u SLO vam nitko ne pravi probleme jer ste prijavili kod ulazka. Sta bi bilo, ako imate kontrolu kod izlazka a u auto 10.000 komada vise municije, prije pa niste nista prijavili ili samo 100 komada?
Kazem vam, pitajte jos na kojem stranom forumu, mozda znaju sta vise.
Ja idem u srijedo po pusku u HR. Imam papire za pusku ali ne za municiju. I jako se bojim presvercat kojo kutijo sa sobom ..
Na nama samo ostaje da rijesimo "sitan" problemcic oko pravilnika vezanih uz strelista ( kakvog vjerovatno nema niti jedna clanica EU ), pa da pocemo sa testiranjem...
Mislim da cemo tamo negdje oko 2032 biti spremi za prvi pokus !!!!
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